MANAGE OVERWHELM BY FINDING YOUR POWER SOURCE WITH BRENDA STEWART, LMHC | EP 63

[DAWN GABRIEL]
Hi, I’m Dawn Gabriel, your host of Faith Fringes podcast, recording live from Castle Rock, Colorado. I am a licensed professional counselor, owner of a counseling center and a sacred space holder for fellow therapists. This podcast is for those who want to explore more than the traditional norms of the Christian culture. I create intentional space to explore your own spiritual path, a space that allows doubt, questions and curiosity without the judgment or shame, a place to hear another story and dive deeper into how to have a genuine connection with God.

For my fellow therapist listening, I will often pull back the curtain of our layered inner world that comes with our profession. I bring an authentic and experienced way to engage your spiritual journey in order to connect you with your deepest values for true renewal and soul care. But really this podcast is for anyone listening who’s desiring a deeper and genuine connection with God. For those of you wanting to engage your spirituality in new ways, Faith Fringes is for you. Welcome to the podcast.

Hello. Welcome back. This is Dawn Gabriel, your host of Faith Fringes podcast and this is episode 63. I am so excited today, which I feel like I say every week because I am so excited, I am loving these interviews. I am loving the live consultings. I just really enjoy bringing different thoughts and perspectives all about our therapy work, and especially with group practice owners. You’re probably noticing a theme if you’ve been listening a while, that I am moving towards working more with group practice owners and getting real up close and personal and peeling back the layers of their inner world. Not only that, but their spiritual inner world.

Today is no different. We are going to do a live consulting with actually one of a new therapist, well, new to me. She’s not a new therapist, she’s quite experienced, but a therapist who I met just a few months ago at the, as you probably guess said Jekyll Island at the Faith in Practice Conference. We just really hit it off and I have really enjoyed getting to know her on a personal level. You will hear today some consulting work we do, but we get to go really deep. For those of you who this might be your first-time listening today’s episode you’ll get to see how I do consulting. It’s a little different. I love to do consulting with group practice owners, but more so I love to do like that soul care and the spiritual direction work and I like to combine them all.

So it’s very different than say just a spiritual director or just consulting. I mix the two and you’ll see that here today and you probably have seen it in some of my other live consultings. But I really just want to show yes, how my work is different and how it’s just really important to me to enter into that sacred space and to enter in with both of us listening to what God might be saying. A lot of times we invite the Holy Spirit into the session and the therapist I’m working with can really just connect with God in that moment. I am just a passenger on the journey with her or him. I’m just listening in and seeing what God might say to that person. That’s what we do today.

If that is something that sounds like, wow, I really like that, or I really want to do that more, I want to invite you to come to my soul care retreat. It’s exclusively for therapists. Then the next soul care retreat for therapists is September 23rd through 25th in 2022. It may, as I’m recording this, it is not full, but by the time this episode goes live, it might be full because right now I’m recording this in July, I’m sorry, June, end of June and I only have four spots left. However, that doesn’t mean you can’t get in. I’m going to be hosting three or four of these retreats a year. That’s my desire. If you are interested in attending your retreat, please reach out to me. You can reach me at dawn@faithfringes.com. You can just send me an email or you can hop on social media at Facebook or Instagram and drop me a message there. I’m on Faith Fringes on both of those. Or my personal Instagram Dawn Gabriel, some people find me on there as well.

If you’re interested in attending a retreat, let me know. Or if you’re a group practice owner who wants me to come and do a retreat for your team, I would love to do that as well. I would fly into your place or your city and we could do a day retreat, we could do a weekend retreat, whatever you want. I can help plan that from as little or as much detail as you want me to plan that. But I definitely provide the soul care and the spiritual direction. We do some group spiritual exercises, some solo spiritual exercises, and then I also just facilitate some good connecting time and good conversations with one another. Just a place where therapists can, who just get it when they’re with other therapists who can really dive deep and people who are really interested in having faith inform their practice.

That’s my specialty. That’s what I’m interested in and passionate about. You’ll see that today as I talk with Brenda. Let me tell you about my friend Brenda. Like I said, Brenda and I just met, but there’s just certain people that you just instantly click with and develop a friendship from there and Brenda is one of those people. Brenda Stewart holds a Master’s in Clinical Mental Health Counseling from Regent University and is a Licensed Mental Health Counselor in Florida and a nationally certified counselor. She is the founder of Wellspring Therapy Associates, a clinically sound faith-based practice in the Orlando area.

She specializes in working with clients who struggle with trauma, eating disorders and anxiety. Brenda’s additional trainings and certifications include EMDR, Dialectical Behavior Therapy, Compassion Fatigue Educator, and Compassion Fatigue Therapist. Brenda is a member of Andrea, the American Counseling Association, American Association of Christian Counselors and Chai Sigma Lata, where she served as chapter president. She has presented at various professional conferences on topics including compassion, fatigue, grief, infertility, spirituality and distance supervision, and the impact of childhood sexual abuse on adult relationship patterns. She has also appeared on the Hope on a Bridge Podcast, Faith in Practice Podcast, and conducted webinars for Jay Johnson Ministries. Brenda is passionate about helping others heal, impart hope to her clients throughout the therapy process. Brenda, welcome to the podcast.
[BRENDA STEWART]
Thank you so much for having me. I’m excited to be here.
[DAWN]
Yes, I know that we met in person a few months ago, actually has only been two months, not even.
[BRENDA]
Yes, a lot has happened in a few months.
[DAWN]
I know. Yes, totally. We’ve been talking back and forth and I just thought it’d be fun to bring you on and let my listeners here where you’re at in your group practice journey. But I’d love for you to tell my listeners who you are, when you started your practice and where you are now.
[BRENDA]
Sure. I am a Licensed Mental Health Counselor in the Orlando, Florida area. I opened my private practice a year ago, actually June 14th, so I’ll be celebrating my one-year anniversary soon. I was an independent contractor before that and worked for another group practice. Just actually this past month hired my first employee to be building a group practice, so as a practice that specializes and trauma, primarily sexual trauma, but we see a lot of everything, anxiety and eating disorders.
[DAWN]
Wow, that’s a heavy caseload.
[BRENDA]
It is, but I think it’s rewarding at the same time as long as I manage it well.
[DAWN]
Tell us where you’re at today as far as group practice. I know we’ve talked offline a little bit and you’ve mentioned there’s some hesitation and fears, but also, you’re excited. Can you just explain that where you’re at?
[BRENDA]
Yes, it’s sort of a ball of a lot of different emotions and thoughts and feelings running rampant at the same time right now. So I’m trying to weed it all out to an extent, if that makes sense. I knew it come December that seeing as many clients as I was seeing a week, which isn’t a lot to some, but I was seeing about 25 a week with this population. So to me that was maxing me out and I found myself feeling really exhausted a lot of the time but being a soul income for my household, I need to make sure my income is sustainable. So I thought how do I increase income, reach more people, fill a need in the community without seeing 35 to 40 clients a week?

I was encouraged to think about starting a group practice so I started a group practice, mastermind group coaching and have been taking the steps all the while feeling like is this the right thing? Can I do this? Just a lot of self-doubt and insecurities coming up. I’ve enjoyed it. A lot of assessments, abilities come up with really strong leadership, clinical director type roles. So I do love that. I’m stepping through into just what I think God has been opening the next door of and now that I’m there, I’m just questioning a lot of things.
[DAWN]
Okay. And I appreciate your honesty because I think some people, when they look at the people who are running group practices, maybe like three to five years in, it looks all smooth and awesome and amazing and they’re hitting like six figures and all this stuff and you’re like, “Oh my gosh, I can have that.” But to be really honest, the beginning can be really hard. I remember my own personal self-doubt, like it was way more, I was like, “Oh my gosh, I haven’t doubted myself so much,” until I started group practice. So I just want to say I think that’s normal, common. I’m glad you’re just being honest about it, but I know you’re trying to figure out like, do I keep stepping forward or do I do something else?
[BRENDA]
Yes, do I step forward or do I pivot? I think coming into it I felt really burned out from just the last five years of life. I know I’ve talked to you about some of this before of I moved to Florida and started a practice from scratch. I wasn’t really from here, I wasn’t networked in the community, I moved here, my dad was diagnosed with brain cancer and so came back to help with his care until he transitioned to heaven and was doing a practice, starting a private practice at the same time as an independent contractor. So just navigating a lot of that and going through loss, then Covid hits, it was just been a lot over the last five years and just some personal health things. So I came in feeling a little bit burned out, but I’m like, I still need to keep stepping through anyway, which is partly what I do. I just tend to be a little bit of an overachiever and perfectionist. And so I’m trying to determine what is just me being weary versus am I going in a wrong direction. That’s what feels just a little bit unclear.
[DAWN]
Yes. Well, I’m just sitting here like, just feeling the heaviness of what you just said the last five years. That’s a lot to carry and start a practice and hold space for 25 clients a week. It is a lot. I think, it’s interesting, I know we’re doing live consulting, but I really do feel strongly like I want to do more soul care type stuff with you because I feel like to, maybe because that was my answer when I was so burned out because I also started my practice the year my mom died. It was the month before her anniversary of her one year passing. I opened my group practice and so —
[BRENDA]
You definitely understand that dynamic.
[DAWN]
Yes, and I’m like, to other people it’s like, oh wow, look, she used her grief in an inspirational way. It’s true. I did what mattered and I was able to, but I was burned out. And burn out, as you know, you train on it, it’s like an eruption or erosion of the soul.
[BRENDA]
Yes, that’s a really great way to describe it. I think the one hesitation with hiring, I have hired an employee now, she’s amazing and I’m excited to have her, but I’m hesitating to hire more and more right now because I think we’re coming from a place of soul erosion as you just said. Then we’re pouring out so much care and holding so much space for clients and then if we have other life stuff going on, there’s pouring out more there. Then I’m thinking, okay, now I’ve hired employees and I need to be pouring out to them and I’m like, I don’t know that I have much left.
[DAWN]
Yes, and that’s what I’m hearing and that’s when I think it’s really hard for people like our personalities and therapists in general. But then like you said, you’re type A, perfectionistic personality, which is similar to mine. It’s very hard to know when do we push through and when do we stop. I think, and I’m curious like you, I wonder if you’re looking extreme, like, I have to stop and not do anything versus I have to push and do everything. I’m wondering if there’s a gray in between those two.
[BRENDA]
Yes, I’m sure there is and I think I’ve been trying to navigate that gray. I’ve been working towards that. I think it’s just, it feels like there’s a lot as starting a group practice, doing all of things and for the first time. Like I didn’t go to business school just like a lot of other therapists don’t. I never thought I would be an entrepreneur or business owner, but I am. And I love it. I’m learning a ton. But going from solo practice to group practice, there’s a lot of additional things to really think through, to have in place, to have all the things. So I’m realizing there’s only so many hours in a day and week and I’ve been pushing heavy seven days a week for several months now, so I need to rebalance.
[DAWN]
Yes, absolutely. We have a tendency to push and not know when to slow down, especially when you’re looking at all these other people in the hustle of getting this done. But you can do it at your own pace. It took me like three years to finally figure some things out and ramp up. I’ve done it for seven, but the first three years look very different from the last four. I did it slow because I had a baby, a second baby. I was going through grief and it was just a lot but yes, so I think also just knowing you don’t have to look like everyone else does it. You can do it at your own pace. You don’t have to have five employees and ramp up.
[BRENDA]
I think I’m excited for five years from now, but I’m like, oh wait, but I need to be excited about the growth process as well. I think I just have some dreams and some desires that I really want to grow and delve into more like the compassion fatigue coaching training. I’d love to do some more writing on different things, but right now I just don’t have the space or capacity for that. So I’m looking forward to pivoting towards that and reducing the amount of individual clients I see. But I would like that to be now
[DAWN]
I know.
[BRENDA]
It’s not quite there, so I just have to figure out how to get my soul to feel alive in the next few years.
[DAWN]
That’s what I hear. I hear that you are excited about it, just right now there’s a strong burnout. So let’s switch into entering into a spiritual space together, if you’re okay with that. I’d like to just acknowledge, maybe by taking a couple deep breaths and slowing both of our ourselves down and just acknowledge that we are inviting God into this space today. So if you just want to take a moment to breathe, couple deep breaths, just notice whatever thoughts, feelings come up. You don’t have to judge them. Just let him flow. Here we’re asking God to be the spiritual director. I just am walking alongside you with this and we’re inviting God into this today and we’re going to enter your business with him, too, and hear what he has to say. What did you notice in those breaths?
[BRENDA]
I think I just focused on inviting the Holy Spirit’s presence and power in and slowing my mind down, which I could sense it just sort of de-escalating with those breaths and just having a sense of openness. Nothing specific, like came to me, but just felt like there was more space.
[DAWN]
Yes, I love that. So I actually, as we were talking even before I had a passage come to me for you and I thought I would read it, and it’s similar, for those of you who have heard me do Lectio Divina before, it’s going to be really similar to that and similar, Brenda to one we did in Jekyll Island, but it’s a different one. Is that good for you, that exercise?
[BRENDA]
Yes, that sounds amazing.
[DAWN]
Okay, so this is from Luke 7:11 through 17. I’m just going to read it and do whatever you need to be comfortable and just, the first time I read it, just notice if a phrase or word pops out at you and then I’ll lead you through some other imagery. “Soon afterward Jesus went with his disciples to the village of Maine and a large crowd followed him. A funeral procession was coming out as he approached the village gate. The young man who had died was a widow’s only son and a large crowd from the village was with her. When the Lord saw her, his heart overflowed with compassion, “Don’t cry,” he said. Then he walked over to the coffin and touched it and the bears stopped. “Young man,” he said, “I tell you, get up.” Then the dead boy sat up and began to talk and Jesus gave him back to his mother. Great fear swept the crowd and they praised God saying, “A mighty has risen among us and God has visited his people today.” The news about Jesus spread throughout Judea and the surrounding countryside.” Did anything stand out to you?
[BRENDA]
Yes, two things actually stood out to me. One is just the scene of a mother’s only son passing away. I just actually experienced this with somebody a few weeks ago. That was just very clear, the grief and the loss that was probably present in that situation. Then the next thing that stood out was the compassion of Jesus and his statement, “Do not be afraid,” and then just with a touch, the power that was available to, I mean, bring someone back to life, but also the power to change things.
[DAWN]
Okay, thank you for sharing that. I’m going to read it again the second time. This is where you put yourself into the scenario and notice like thoughts, feelings, body sensations, temperature, and just put yourself into the situation and just notice where you find yourself, kind of an immersive experience. “Soon afterward Jesus went with his disciples to the village of Maine and a large crowd followed him. A funeral procession was coming out as he approached the village gate. The young man who had died was a widow’s only son and a large crowd from the village was with her. When the Lord saw her, his heart overflowed with compassion, “Don’t cry,” he said. Then he walked over to the coffin and touched it and the bears stopped. “Young man,” he said, “I tell you, get up.” Then the dead boy sat up and began to talk and Jesus gave him back to his mother. Great fear swept the crowd and they praised God saying, “A mighty has risen among us and God has visited his people today.” The news about Jesus spread throughout Judea and the surrounding countryside.” Did you notice yourself in the passage anywhere?
[BRENDA]
I did. I first noticed Jesus and his disciples, sort of, I was in the town that they were coming into, I guess. Then I joined up with them. So I was walking, not engaged in the direct conversation, but walking with them. Then when the mother came onto the scene, I went to her and I kneeled next to her and just held my arm around her shoulders and stayed there with her while Jesus offered the compassion and then went and raised up her son.
[DAWN]
Wow, that’s a powerful image.
[BRENDA]
I feel like those types of situations are when I come alive. I just love to be in those moments with people who are deeply hurting and be that safe presence.
[DAWN]
Wow. I’m going to read it another time and I want you this time to see if there’s an invitation. And it’s okay if you don’t, none of this is, has to be one way or the other, but if you feel or hear an invitation from God in the passage. “Soon afterward Jesus went with his disciples to the village of Maine and a large crowd followed him. A funeral procession was coming out as he approached the village gate. The young man who had died was a widow’s only son and a large crowd from the village was with her. When the Lord saw her, his heart overflowed with compassion, “Don’t cry,” he said. Then he walked over to the coffin and touched it and the bears stopped. “Young man,” he said, “I tell you, get up.” Then the dead boy sat up and began to talk and Jesus gave him back to his mother. Great fear swept the crowd and they praised God saying, “A mighty has risen among us and God has visited his people today.” The news about Jesus spread throughout Judea and the surrounding countryside.”
[BRENDA]
I think the invitation I heard in that time was to utilize his power, like invite me to lean into his power, not having to do it all on my own and have it all figured out and all of those things, but that he’s there, sees me, is tuned in, has compassion for where I’m at, and is also inviting me to use his power versus my own.
[DAWN]
Wow, I love that because as a healer yourself, as a therapist, we are in those places a lot, with people. Sometimes, I know for me, I forget as well that I don’t to be the only one in that place where sometimes I forget God isn’t there with me.
[BRENDA]
You think about that and also in the business decisions, both in the client sessions and also in the business decisions and growth process and navigation. I need to continue to plug into that power source. So often it’s like I know that and I will try that, and then I get caught up in the, I got to figure this out, I got to do this, I got to know this. I lose side of that.
[DAWN]
I think sometimes we can feel God and the pain and with people, but he still wants to be with you in your business too. So I am going to read it one more time. This is the final time and this time I want you to take that invitation, hold it with the business and see if God brings anything else up about merging what you heard, the invitation and how that does relate to your business. Just feel it and almost like savor it. “Soon afterward Jesus went with his disciples to the village of Maine and a large crowd followed him. A funeral procession was coming out as he approached the village gate. The young man who had died was a widow’s only son and a large crowd from the village was with her. When the Lord saw her, his heart overflowed with compassion, “Don’t cry,” he said. Then he walked over to the coffin and touched it and the bears stopped. “Young man,” he said, “I tell you, get up.” Then the dead boy sat up and began to talk and Jesus gave him back to his mother. Great fear swept the crowd and they praised God saying, “A mighty has risen among us and God has visited his people today.” The news about Jesus spread throughout Judea and the surrounding countryside.”
[BRENDA]
I know we’re on a podcast that people can’t see, but I’m smiling because, what I was getting and holding them both together, my brain was doing in the very moment. So I kept getting this, okay, plug into the power source and then what does that look like and where I’m at with the business. The overarching thing I kept hearing was just, be still, don’t jump shift, just stay steady. It doesn’t have to be all figured out right now but just hold steady and be still. While I’m getting that, my brain’s like, but what about this? Do you want to show me this? What about power over here? There’s this idea here that I want to build out and what if I, and I’m like, oh my goodness.
[DAWN]
My brain, I’m very similar. Well, so let’s go back to that power source and I want you to connect to that. Is there like an image or a picture or a color or something that connects with you when you think of God and the power source he was bringing up to you in this passage?
[BRENDA]
Yes, and it’s going to sound like a silly image, but so to be connected to a power source, I’m a very visual person and so, I think of at the core and who I am, a child of God and he’s the source of power that allows me to do everything. It needs to run through my core. So I see like a big, I don’t know, pull, almost, that would be his power that’s going through my spine and all the way up through the top of my head and I’m hooked there, but there’s flexibility to move. I’m not like grasping on it in fear or terror. I’m facing outward and I’m moving and free to do whatever, but I’m anchored, anchored to that power.
[DAWN]
Okay, so I want you to, and I do this with a few people, have you ever done the butterfly hug and where you tapped?
[BRENDA]
Yes, I’m actually an EMDR therapist.
[DAWN]
Oh yes, I forgot. I couldn’t remember. I want you to, we’re going to resource it. I want you to take some deep breaths and just bring up that picture of that rod and the power and you have freedom to move, you’re facing outward, but it is anchoring you to your truth to God. Just take a few moments to tap that in and notice the body sensations, the colors, the feelings. Take as long as you need here.
[BRENDA]
I feel like deep settling inside.
[DAWN]
Like that anchored feeling.
[BRENDA]
A couple colors moved into my awareness. One was sort of like a, just a really gentle aqua color. The other one was like a deep purple, which was interesting to me. So that would just come here and then.
[DAWN]
Yes, well take a moment again. I want you to, I want to instill it a little bit more so that, and I’ll tell you later, just take a moment to go back to that deep purple and gentle aqua color with that power source rod in the middle anchoring you to truth, to the spiritual world and just breathe there knowing that you can connect to that with a breath with the color.
[BRENDA]
I went from flying around like halfway up the rod to being at the bottom, leaning against it and just like still.
[DAWN]
I love that visual for you.
[BRENDA]
Just felt calm and like I could sense a shift in my body. Felt like my muscle’s less tense, it was more grounded.
[DAWN]
The reason, I know you’re an EMDR therapist, but how many times do we actually use the power of imagery and bilateral stimulation for ourselves? I did it until —
[BRENDA]
Very rarely
[DAWN]
So I did that so that you can come back to these moments. I feel like when we experience God on all senses level it, we can quickly go back there. So even in between your sessions or when you’re worried about the employee situation, just taking a minute literally to do some tapping and go back to that gentle aqua deep purple, the rod of power and anchoring into like, even when I say that, I could tell you’re breathing like you’re just right there.
[BRENDA]
I’m seeing it and it’s just like, oh, that’s right.
[DAWN]
So I wanted to give you that image. I mean, I didn’t know what it was going to be, but I want you to be able to go back to that because you can connect to the spirituality of it. That’s what I feel like I missed. I feel like we missed the Holy Spirit a lot and we don’t talk about it a lot because it’s, I don’t know, I didn’t grow up talking about it as much as I do now. So I feel like that’s the spiritual realm where we experience God more.
[BRENDA]
It’s interesting. At the church I go to, he just started a series on the Holy Spirit, so it’s in my awareness, and I do, a lot of times in client sessions, I pray in the space beforehand, before I see clients for the day and just ask the Holy Spirit to be present and to give me guidance and discernment and wisdom as help clients. But I haven’t utilized that as far as with the business itself.
[DAWN]
Yes, same. That’s why I’m doing the Sacred Space mastermind, because this is the stuff we’re going to do is talk about business decisions, but enter in and feel where we feel God is with us in it.
[BRENDA]
It can be challenging to know or to get my mind to just settle and hear and listen. As I mentioned I was, but there’s 99 ideas and things and what about this and I need to hear a specific answer right now here.
[DAWN]
I know. But what about this God this way?
[BRENDA]
Exactly. So it’s just helpful to be like, oh, I don’t have to have all the answers right now. It doesn’t have to be all figured out. The power is there, I’m connected to it and I can rest in that.
[DAWN]
Is that where you’re coming like resting and realizing, oh, I don’t have to hustle along. Like trusting that power within you rather than you’re out here outside of it doing your own thing, like we forget we’re tapped into that because we don’t, he’s not going to force it on us.
[BRENDA]
It’s not a matter of like rest, I don’t feel like I’m resting in like, going to pause everything and take a vacation to Hawaii for the next four weeks, although that sounds amazing.
[DAWN]
That does sound amazing. I’ll be right there.
[BRENDA]
It might not be realistic, but it sounds amazing. But resting in that, I don’t need to know what it’s going to be or where it’s going to be six months from now. I can set goals, I can have a vision, but I don’t have to be in a state of angst or stress or pressure to make sure it gets there. Because that’s not all up to me at the end of the day. That as I take the next step, God’s going to open the door and show me the next step. I can trust and listen.
[DAWN]
Yes, and you can trust that process is what I’m hearing you say, because I know you. I know that is your anchoring and your grounding, but we forget to go back to it.
[BRENDA]
Something I need to continually be reminded of because it’s not my nature to trust. I’m not a very trusting person.
[DAWN]
I know. I hear you. I’m the same way. That’s why I say that my growing my business has been more spiritually forming than I ever thought possible because it’s so intense and I have to come back to this or I don’t do well.
[BRENDA]
I can totally understand that.
[DAWN]
Well, thank you Brenda for being so vulnerable and open to this. I hope it helped. I know we didn’t go over all the questions you had, but do you feel like this was —
[BRENDA]
This was extremely helpful and valuable and I just appreciate you taking the time to have me on and to consult with me.
[DAWN]
Aw, I love it. It’s one of my favorite things and I enjoy you so much. I do think that you had something fun for my listeners which relates to what we’re going through. Do you want to share that?
[BRENDA]
Sure. I do have something for anybody who wants it. I specialize in compassion fatigue, which sounds funny seeing that I’m experiencing it, but I’m a human as well.
[DAWN]
We’re all human.
[BRENDA]
I specialize in being a compassion fatigue educator and therapist. So I have a, part of the prevention and recovery process with compassion fatigue is a life wellness plan and so I have a document that takes you through some assessments you can take to see how much you’re experiencing compassion fatigue or burnout, and then a life plan for wellness, a document that you can implement, put into place and be intentional about practicing.
[DAWN]
I love that. So we’ll have that in the show notes and people can go there and grab it. We’ll have it linked to your PDF, I think it was. Well thank you again, Brenda. I so enjoyed our time.
[BRENDA]
Thanks, Dawn so much. I’ll talk to you soon.
[DAWN]
Thank you for listening today to the Faith Fringes podcast. For those of you wanting to take a deeper dive into your own faith journey, you can grab my free email course, Spiritual Reflections on my website, faithfringes.com. If you’re a therapist and would want to work with me, I offer sacred space holding for you through my consulting as well as my soul care retreats. To find out more, go to my website or email me, dawn@faithfringes.com.

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